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Gary Cunningham-Lee
Hi (mostly to drsassafras),

After commit r61394, each of my footnotes in trunk displays with two
periods at the end, though just one period is in the content of the
footnote. [I have a theme - http://demo.zukathemes.com/Tuften (Tiki 15
version at this URL) - that displays footnotes as "sidenotes" so I need
to do a check/adjustment after footnote code changes. In the theme's
trunk version I noticed the problem first, but the double periods happen
no matter what theme is used.]

I thought it might have been due to the new CSS in tiki_base.css that
adds the period following the footnote number in the footnotearea, but
even with that CSS commented out, the two periods persist.

I'll keep working on it, but maybe you are seeing this and, if so, if
you have an idea what might be creating the extra period.

Another thing I wanted to ask about is, after this commit, footnote
numbers (the superscript numbers in the text that refer/link to the
footnote) are now in square brackets. This does increase their
visibility, but I kind of like the cleaner look of no brackets, myself,
and rely on color difference for visibility. I realize that this is a
matter of style choice (and it can be overridden by CSS if desired), but
was wondering if there's a general consensus about using brackets here
or not.

-- Gary

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Re: [Tiki-devel] Footnote questions (re commit r61394 in trunk)

Brendan Ferguson
Hi Gary

I don't see 2 periods. Did you hard refresh? I moved the period from HTML to CSS so it could be re-styled.... perhaps it's a CSS issue....? I will look into it tomorrow and see what I can find.

As for the square brackets, it's not something I really like ether, but it was the default behaviour of tiki before the recent footnote changes, and it's also how wikepedia shows their footnotes as well. Again, since I wanted to be able to style them, I moved the square brackets from HTML into CSS.

I had originally coded a option into footnotes to change it with a param, but removed it in favour of an easy CSS solution, which has much greater versatility. Granted it takes a little more knowledge to set up, but I plan on illustrating examples of how to change it In the documentation, which I have yet to add to doc.tiki.org.

So that's a background on it. But ya, I would be open to a discussion on changing the square brackets.

Brendan

> On Feb 25, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi (mostly to drsassafras),
>
> After commit r61394, each of my footnotes in trunk displays with two
> periods at the end, though just one period is in the content of the
> footnote. [I have a theme - http://demo.zukathemes.com/Tuften (Tiki 15
> version at this URL) - that displays footnotes as "sidenotes" so I need
> to do a check/adjustment after footnote code changes. In the theme's
> trunk version I noticed the problem first, but the double periods happen
> no matter what theme is used.]
>
> I thought it might have been due to the new CSS in tiki_base.css that
> adds the period following the footnote number in the footnotearea, but
> even with that CSS commented out, the two periods persist.
>
> I'll keep working on it, but maybe you are seeing this and, if so, if
> you have an idea what might be creating the extra period.
>
> Another thing I wanted to ask about is, after this commit, footnote
> numbers (the superscript numbers in the text that refer/link to the
> footnote) are now in square brackets. This does increase their
> visibility, but I kind of like the cleaner look of no brackets, myself,
> and rely on color difference for visibility. I realize that this is a
> matter of style choice (and it can be overridden by CSS if desired), but
> was wondering if there's a general consensus about using brackets here
> or not.
>
> -- Gary
>
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Re: [Tiki-devel] Footnote questions (re commit r61394 in trunk)

Gary Cunningham-Lee
Hi,

About the double periods, I did do the cache clearing and hard refresh,
in two trunk installs I have on my localhost. To check on a remote
server, I filed a bug report (http://dev.tiki.org/item6288) and made a
show instance (http://chibaguy-342-6288.show.tikiwiki.org/ - Tiki login:
admin/12345) . There also, the footnote has an extra period so it seems
it isn't a local quirk here.

-- Gary

On 2/26/2017 12:38 AM, Dr. Sassafras wrote:

> Hi Gary
>
> I don't see 2 periods. Did you hard refresh? I moved the period from
> HTML to CSS so it could be re-styled.... perhaps it's a CSS
> issue....? I will look into it tomorrow and see what I can find.
>
> As for the square brackets, it's not something I really like ether,
> but it was the default behaviour of tiki before the recent footnote
> changes, and it's also how wikepedia shows their footnotes as well.
> Again, since I wanted to be able to style them, I moved the square
> brackets from HTML into CSS.
>
> I had originally coded a option into footnotes to change it with a
> param, but removed it in favour of an easy CSS solution, which has
> much greater versatility. Granted it takes a little more knowledge to
> set up, but I plan on illustrating examples of how to change it In
> the documentation, which I have yet to add to doc.tiki.org.
>
> So that's a background on it. But ya, I would be open to a discussion
> on changing the square brackets.
>
> Brendan
>
>> On Feb 25, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi (mostly to drsassafras),
>>
>> After commit r61394, each of my footnotes in trunk displays with
>> two periods at the end, though just one period is in the content of
>> the footnote. [I have a theme - http://demo.zukathemes.com/Tuften
>> (Tiki 15 version at this URL) - that displays footnotes as
>> "sidenotes" so I need to do a check/adjustment after footnote code
>> changes. In the theme's trunk version I noticed the problem first,
>> but the double periods happen no matter what theme is used.]
>>
>> I thought it might have been due to the new CSS in tiki_base.css
>> that adds the period following the footnote number in the
>> footnotearea, but even with that CSS commented out, the two periods
>> persist.
>>
>> I'll keep working on it, but maybe you are seeing this and, if so,
>> if you have an idea what might be creating the extra period.
>>
>> Another thing I wanted to ask about is, after this commit, footnote
>>  numbers (the superscript numbers in the text that refer/link to
>> the footnote) are now in square brackets. This does increase their
>>  visibility, but I kind of like the cleaner look of no brackets,
>> myself, and rely on color difference for visibility. I realize that
>> this is a matter of style choice (and it can be overridden by CSS
>> if desired), but was wondering if there's a general consensus about
>> using brackets here or not.
>>
>> -- Gary
>>
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Re: [Tiki-devel] Footnote questions (re commit r61394 in trunk)

Brendan Ferguson
Great. Thanks Gary, that will be helpful.

Brendan

> On Feb 26, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Gary Cunningham-Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> About the double periods, I did do the cache clearing and hard refresh,
> in two trunk installs I have on my localhost. To check on a remote
> server, I filed a bug report (http://dev.tiki.org/item6288) and made a
> show instance (http://chibaguy-342-6288.show.tikiwiki.org/ - Tiki login:
> admin/12345) . There also, the footnote has an extra period so it seems
> it isn't a local quirk here.
>
> -- Gary
>
>> On 2/26/2017 12:38 AM, Dr. Sassafras wrote:
>> Hi Gary
>>
>> I don't see 2 periods. Did you hard refresh? I moved the period from
>> HTML to CSS so it could be re-styled.... perhaps it's a CSS
>> issue....? I will look into it tomorrow and see what I can find.
>>
>> As for the square brackets, it's not something I really like ether,
>> but it was the default behaviour of tiki before the recent footnote
>> changes, and it's also how wikepedia shows their footnotes as well.
>> Again, since I wanted to be able to style them, I moved the square
>> brackets from HTML into CSS.
>>
>> I had originally coded a option into footnotes to change it with a
>> param, but removed it in favour of an easy CSS solution, which has
>> much greater versatility. Granted it takes a little more knowledge to
>> set up, but I plan on illustrating examples of how to change it In
>> the documentation, which I have yet to add to doc.tiki.org.
>>
>> So that's a background on it. But ya, I would be open to a discussion
>> on changing the square brackets.
>>
>> Brendan
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi (mostly to drsassafras),
>>>
>>> After commit r61394, each of my footnotes in trunk displays with
>>> two periods at the end, though just one period is in the content of
>>> the footnote. [I have a theme - http://demo.zukathemes.com/Tuften
>>> (Tiki 15 version at this URL) - that displays footnotes as
>>> "sidenotes" so I need to do a check/adjustment after footnote code
>>> changes. In the theme's trunk version I noticed the problem first,
>>> but the double periods happen no matter what theme is used.]
>>>
>>> I thought it might have been due to the new CSS in tiki_base.css
>>> that adds the period following the footnote number in the
>>> footnotearea, but even with that CSS commented out, the two periods
>>> persist.
>>>
>>> I'll keep working on it, but maybe you are seeing this and, if so,
>>> if you have an idea what might be creating the extra period.
>>>
>>> Another thing I wanted to ask about is, after this commit, footnote
>>> numbers (the superscript numbers in the text that refer/link to
>>> the footnote) are now in square brackets. This does increase their
>>> visibility, but I kind of like the cleaner look of no brackets,
>>> myself, and rely on color difference for visibility. I realize that
>>> this is a matter of style choice (and it can be overridden by CSS
>>> if desired), but was wondering if there's a general consensus about
>>> using brackets here or not.
>>>
>>> -- Gary
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Tiki-devel] Footnote questions (re commit r61394 in trunk)

Gary Cunningham-Lee
Hi Brendan,

Double periods are fixed on my sites after your latest commit. Thanks.

-- Gary

On 2/26/2017 10:43 PM, Dr. Sassafras wrote:

> Great. Thanks Gary, that will be helpful.
>
> Brendan
>
>> On Feb 26, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Gary Cunningham-Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> About the double periods, I did do the cache clearing and hard refresh,
>> in two trunk installs I have on my localhost. To check on a remote
>> server, I filed a bug report (http://dev.tiki.org/item6288) and made a
>> show instance (http://chibaguy-342-6288.show.tikiwiki.org/ - Tiki login:
>> admin/12345) . There also, the footnote has an extra period so it seems
>> it isn't a local quirk here.
>>
>> -- Gary
>>
>>> On 2/26/2017 12:38 AM, Dr. Sassafras wrote:
>>> Hi Gary
>>>
>>> I don't see 2 periods. Did you hard refresh? I moved the period from
>>> HTML to CSS so it could be re-styled.... perhaps it's a CSS
>>> issue....? I will look into it tomorrow and see what I can find.
>>>
>>> As for the square brackets, it's not something I really like ether,
>>> but it was the default behaviour of tiki before the recent footnote
>>> changes, and it's also how wikepedia shows their footnotes as well.
>>> Again, since I wanted to be able to style them, I moved the square
>>> brackets from HTML into CSS.
>>>
>>> I had originally coded a option into footnotes to change it with a
>>> param, but removed it in favour of an easy CSS solution, which has
>>> much greater versatility. Granted it takes a little more knowledge to
>>> set up, but I plan on illustrating examples of how to change it In
>>> the documentation, which I have yet to add to doc.tiki.org.
>>>
>>> So that's a background on it. But ya, I would be open to a discussion
>>> on changing the square brackets.
>>>
>>> Brendan
>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi (mostly to drsassafras),
>>>>
>>>> After commit r61394, each of my footnotes in trunk displays with
>>>> two periods at the end, though just one period is in the content of
>>>> the footnote. [I have a theme - http://demo.zukathemes.com/Tuften
>>>> (Tiki 15 version at this URL) - that displays footnotes as
>>>> "sidenotes" so I need to do a check/adjustment after footnote code
>>>> changes. In the theme's trunk version I noticed the problem first,
>>>> but the double periods happen no matter what theme is used.]
>>>>
>>>> I thought it might have been due to the new CSS in tiki_base.css
>>>> that adds the period following the footnote number in the
>>>> footnotearea, but even with that CSS commented out, the two periods
>>>> persist.
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep working on it, but maybe you are seeing this and, if so,
>>>> if you have an idea what might be creating the extra period.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing I wanted to ask about is, after this commit, footnote
>>>> numbers (the superscript numbers in the text that refer/link to
>>>> the footnote) are now in square brackets. This does increase their
>>>> visibility, but I kind of like the cleaner look of no brackets,
>>>> myself, and rely on color difference for visibility. I realize that
>>>> this is a matter of style choice (and it can be overridden by CSS
>>>> if desired), but was wondering if there's a general consensus about
>>>> using brackets here or not.
>>>>
>>>> -- Gary
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [Tiki-devel] Footnote questions (re commit r61394 in trunk)

Brendan Ferguson
Great. I have very limited internet access right now so im mostly coding offline. I attempted to construct a regex with my own knowledge... ya. I think I will stick with building them with the help of regex101.com from now on :)

Ive also just fixed a spacing issue with multiple paragraph footnotes. The other changes made to footnotes have already fixed longstanding issues with spacing, so it should be easier to produce the exact spacing one might want now. I know that I was struggling with it before.

Brendan

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 12:38 AM, Gary Cunningham-Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Brendan,

Double periods are fixed on my sites after your latest commit. Thanks.

-- Gary

On 2/26/2017 10:43 PM, Dr. Sassafras wrote:
> Great. Thanks Gary, that will be helpful.
>
> Brendan
>
>> On Feb 26, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Gary Cunningham-Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> About the double periods, I did do the cache clearing and hard refresh,
>> in two trunk installs I have on my localhost. To check on a remote
>> server, I filed a bug report (http://dev.tiki.org/item6288) and made a
>> show instance (http://chibaguy-342-6288.show.tikiwiki.org/ - Tiki login:
>> admin/12345) . There also, the footnote has an extra period so it seems
>> it isn't a local quirk here.
>>
>> -- Gary
>>
>>> On 2/26/2017 12:38 AM, Dr. Sassafras wrote:
>>> Hi Gary
>>>
>>> I don't see 2 periods. Did you hard refresh? I moved the period from
>>> HTML to CSS so it could be re-styled.... perhaps it's a CSS
>>> issue....? I will look into it tomorrow and see what I can find.
>>>
>>> As for the square brackets, it's not something I really like ether,
>>> but it was the default behaviour of tiki before the recent footnote
>>> changes, and it's also how wikepedia shows their footnotes as well.
>>> Again, since I wanted to be able to style them, I moved the square
>>> brackets from HTML into CSS.
>>>
>>> I had originally coded a option into footnotes to change it with a
>>> param, but removed it in favour of an easy CSS solution, which has
>>> much greater versatility. Granted it takes a little more knowledge to
>>> set up, but I plan on illustrating examples of how to change it In
>>> the documentation, which I have yet to add to doc.tiki.org.
>>>
>>> So that's a background on it. But ya, I would be open to a discussion
>>> on changing the square brackets.
>>>
>>> Brendan
>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2017, at 9:47 PM, Gary Cunningham-Lee
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi (mostly to drsassafras),
>>>>
>>>> After commit r61394, each of my footnotes in trunk displays with
>>>> two periods at the end, though just one period is in the content of
>>>> the footnote. [I have a theme - http://demo.zukathemes.com/Tuften
>>>> (Tiki 15 version at this URL) - that displays footnotes as
>>>> "sidenotes" so I need to do a check/adjustment after footnote code
>>>> changes. In the theme's trunk version I noticed the problem first,
>>>> but the double periods happen no matter what theme is used.]
>>>>
>>>> I thought it might have been due to the new CSS in tiki_base.css
>>>> that adds the period following the footnote number in the
>>>> footnotearea, but even with that CSS commented out, the two periods
>>>> persist.
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep working on it, but maybe you are seeing this and, if so,
>>>> if you have an idea what might be creating the extra period.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing I wanted to ask about is, after this commit, footnote
>>>> numbers (the superscript numbers in the text that refer/link to
>>>> the footnote) are now in square brackets. This does increase their
>>>> visibility, but I kind of like the cleaner look of no brackets,
>>>> myself, and rely on color difference for visibility. I realize that
>>>> this is a matter of style choice (and it can be overridden by CSS
>>>> if desired), but was wondering if there's a general consensus about
>>>> using brackets here or not.
>>>>
>>>> -- Gary
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
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